4WD vs 2WD for towing
Submitted: Monday, Jan 01, 2024 at 17:24
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Rivers54
Hi all, I'm a relative newbie to caravanning (and total Newbie here!), but I've bought my tow vehicle an Isuzu MUX MY21 2WD which I believed was good/great to tow the Eco Tourer Slipstream 2019 which has a Tare of 1720Kg, ball weight of 157Kg and ATM of 2250Kg. I've yet to pick the van up or get a tow bar etc fitted to the car. Since buying the 2 vehicles, I've been advised by someone who sounds very literate in towing matters that even though the 2WD MUX has a published max towing capacity of 3500Kg (or 3000Kg depending on where you look), that van would be 'at the limit' for the 2WD and I should consider trying to get my money back from the dealer as it's not 'fit for purpose', possibly by getting a credit against the inevitably more expensive 4WD MUX. He talked a lot about axle weights, tow-and-load assessments, the Law etc! Has anyone got any comment on that? Thanks in advance,
John
Reply By: Mikee5 - Monday, Jan 01, 2024 at 17:46
Monday, Jan 01, 2024 at 17:46
What is the maximum towing capacity of your purchase? What is the maximum rear axle load? You need to know these before making any decisions. Are those numbers higher in the 4WD version? Based on your figure of 3000kg maximum towing capacity and assuming the quoted ATM of 2250 is correct you would be 750kgs under maximum, which would seem an adequate safety margin and fit for purpose. Perhaps if you repeated here what your advisor said, his comments could be addressed.
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Reply By: RMD - Monday, Jan 01, 2024 at 19:17
Monday, Jan 01, 2024 at 19:17
Rivers
Depending on what you intend to use the rig for, the MUX 2wd might be quite ok. If ever in wet areas or greasy mud then the 4wd has advantages. The MUX has less towbar overhang than a Dmax so the ball is closer to the rear axle. An advantage there.
If the van has a long A frame it probably won't place too much load on the ball and the rear MUX springs might cope without sagging. To cater for the mass on the towball and also during braking the rear shock absorbers probably won't cope
well and a degree of porpoising will be experienced. Isuzu aren't noted for having really good shocks.
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Reply By: Member - Mark (Tamworth NSW) - Monday, Jan 01, 2024 at 19:36
Monday, Jan 01, 2024 at 19:36
I normally towed our 2.2T typical load mass van with our Pajero for a couple of years in 2WD, I never bothered selecting 4H. I don't know anything about MUXs.
AWD or 4WD may be better but by less than a bees antenna unless there is poor traction.
Regrading Law I think Isuzu would have that covered under their claimed towing capacity and the Gross Combination Mass,
check out the GCM, for your peace of mind.
Major thing when new to towing is to select the right gear as Isuzu will recommend in their owner manual.
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Follow Up By: Member - Mark (Tamworth NSW) - Tuesday, Jan 02, 2024 at 08:47
Tuesday, Jan 02, 2024 at 08:47
PS look, then ask the same question on the caravan
forum website, there is a dedicated ISUZU section on it.
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Reply By: Rivers54 - Monday, Jan 01, 2024 at 19:55
Monday, Jan 01, 2024 at 19:55
thanks for your input people! I'm planning on adding air bags (?) to the rear
suspension to improve drive angle, and as it's a relatively light ball weight I should be good for that too
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Follow Up By: Member - McLaren3030 - Tuesday, Jan 02, 2024 at 06:53
Tuesday, Jan 02, 2024 at 06:53
Hi Rivers54,
Airbags should not be your first “go to” solution to fix rear end sag when you connect your caravan/trailer. That is only working on the symptom, and not the cause, and may actually cause other issues to develop like a bent chassis.
Check with Isuzu as to whether they recommend fitting Airbags.
Even a Weight Distribution Hitch should also only be considered as a secondary measure as it also only works on the symptom, and not the cause.
You would be better to upgrade your
suspension. More expensive initial outlay, but it is actually going to rectify the cause, and not just the symptom.
Macca.
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Follow Up By: RMD - Tuesday, Jan 02, 2024 at 11:56
Tuesday, Jan 02, 2024 at 11:56
Rivers
The drive angle of what???? The universal joint drive angles or the bum down angle. Airbags in spring coils will hold it up a bit but the angle of NOSE UP and lighter steering is still there because of the ball weight.
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Follow Up By: Rivers54 - Tuesday, Jan 02, 2024 at 12:43
Tuesday, Jan 02, 2024 at 12:43
Thanks - I've been advised that air bags will lift the rear a bit with the van attached - I may just see how it goes without though, as the van ball weight is only 157Kg (
well under the stated 350Kg maximum the MY21 MUX is rated for)
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Follow Up By: RMD - Tuesday, Jan 02, 2024 at 14:35
Tuesday, Jan 02, 2024 at 14:35
Comparing the towball weight against the MAXIMUM is a little flawed. No one in their right mind would ever approach that anyway. To me that is the NO BREAK the vehicle point.
Yes the bags will lift it but that really isn't the problem. It is the amount it raises the front of the vehicle and unloads the front wheel grip. ALL ROTATES AROUND THE REAR AXLE with trailed objects.
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Reply By: Rivers54 - Tuesday, Jan 02, 2024 at 07:48
Tuesday, Jan 02, 2024 at 07:48
thanks for that - I'll look into those options
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Reply By: Member - Warren H - Tuesday, Jan 02, 2024 at 13:36
Tuesday, Jan 02, 2024 at 13:36
Unless the new generation of the 4wd MUX has gone to an AWD configuration, you would be towing in 2wd anyway, as you would be doing in most other makers twin cab/sw variants with the exception of the Triton/Pajero Sport. Your combination is pretty light in the scheme of vehicle plus caravan rigs, think of all the Holdens and Falcons towing vans around the countryside in the recent past.
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Reply By: Andrew L - Wednesday, Jan 03, 2024 at 10:27
Wednesday, Jan 03, 2024 at 10:27
The stats look ok for those van specs on the MUX, you wont have any luck returning the car, dont go down that path, they are not in control of your van purchase, you have to do the sums. That said, im sure they will accomodate you upgrading, but you will loose 10k in purchase price.
Power wise you will have ample, you will need load levellers to take weight off rear
suspension and rear axle.
If the towball weight is 175, then 350 kg will be on the rear axle without load levellers, and you will be nose up. (this is all rough calcs) leaving 300 kg for occupants and levelling gear and luggage in the car.
Van wise, it seems you will be able to put 500kg in it, water, bedding, clothes food etc, remember 175 goes to the cars weight limit, so even more if packed correctly keeping 175 on the ball.
google your local area for a weigh
bridge, reverse the rear on and see what weight is on the rear axle as a starting point.
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Reply By: Phil G - Wednesday, Jan 03, 2024 at 10:55
Wednesday, Jan 03, 2024 at 10:55
The 2wd version is OK. It has the same payload and the same GCM as the 4wd version.
The 4wd MUX is "part-time 4wd", so you'd be towing in 2H anyway on bitumen.
If towing on a loose surface - such as gravel, there is some benefit to engaging 4wd.
There has been the odd occasion I've been glad to have a 4wd - particularly if you are taking off on a reasonable slope on a gravel road with the caravan hooked on.
If you bought a different vehicle - say a Prado - it would be full-time 4wd.
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Reply By: Rivers54 - Wednesday, Jan 03, 2024 at 11:00
Wednesday, Jan 03, 2024 at 11:00
thanks again for all your input - good info and in line with what I was thinking
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Follow Up By: Gbc.. - Sunday, Jan 07, 2024 at 14:01
Sunday, Jan 07, 2024 at 14:01
The 2wd will be lighter and tow the van better than the 4wd because it will have better power to weight and also more remaining payload than a 4x4. 4wd is no help at all until you run out of traction.
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Follow Up By: Batt's - Saturday, Feb 24, 2024 at 16:43
Saturday, Feb 24, 2024 at 16:43
You could also say the 4wd would be better for the vehicle's drive line sharing the load and better handling and traction in all areas where the 2wd is only loading up the rear diff and drive shaft adding more stress and long term wear. Lots of variables.
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Follow Up By: Nomadic Navara - Monday, Feb 26, 2024 at 11:13
Monday, Feb 26, 2024 at 11:13
"You could also say the 4wd would be better"
I think you mean "You could also say the AWD would be better." A 4WD still only uses a rear drive train that is similar or the same as a 2WD. A 4WD is no better in distributing the loads to the wheels than a 2WD when it is not locked in 2WD.
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