Visiting the NT

Submitted: Saturday, Mar 09, 2024 at 20:04
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Hi All

As long term residents of the Top End I thought I'd share a bit of an insight to what life is currently like here.

We came from SA almost 16 years ago, use to drag a boat up to the Roper every couple of years or do the odd trip without the boat.

There sure are some special places out bush.

I'm kind of anti pay when it comes to national parks, guess I grew up in a different time. Use to go camping with Mum and Dad, not much spare cash back then. At a guess, if we had had to pay, we may not have been able to go.
That said, for those of you heading to the Top End, along with a hundred other places I could recommend, give Central Valley a go at Litchfield. It will cost you $40 a night for 2 adults and more for a family. Pit toilets is all the facilities available, but it is kind of exclusive as each site gets its own rock pool.

On a less positive note, crime is out of control. My partner will no longer leave our front gate unless it's in a car, yep, not even with me! No more bike rides or walks after work :-(

We were broken into around 3 years ago, adult male. I'd just cleaned the windows, so perfect prints.
Police told me his name, list of offenses as long as your arm.
Charged, nope. Huh, I hear some say.
Nope, it's true. basically we have one segment of the community committing the overwhelming amount of the crime and most of it goes with no consequences.

So my advise would be, come and enjoy the NT, but either take care or stay away from the towns and cities all together.

An example of what is happening ALL OVER THE NT, even as I type...

Living in the NT

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Reply By: Stephen L (Clare) SA - Saturday, Mar 09, 2024 at 20:17

Saturday, Mar 09, 2024 at 20:17
Think it’s time to head back south.

Not sure if you watch Action in Alice 2020 on Facebook…..those little bl… bastards are out of control and the Police are powerless to act without being called racist…..

So who is being discriminated against?

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Follow Up By: Member - lyndon NT - Saturday, Mar 09, 2024 at 20:26

Saturday, Mar 09, 2024 at 20:26
Hi Stephen

Yes, well across it.

A large section of this part of our population has been brought into Darwin by the NT Govt.

This was for a variety of reasons, but blind Freddy could tell you that once here, they won't leave.

As said, my advise, visit the NT but you may wish to skip the towns as much as possible.

The centre of Darwin is a ghost town. One of the things the retailers used to rely on was the cruise ships that dock during the dry.

Apparently the ships operators are now warning people that for safety reasons they may not wish to leave the ship. I've just heard that second hand, so can't verify.

At our largest shopping precinct ,Casuarina, small shops now keep their doors locked during trading hours with a notice on the door to knock. Knife hold ups during normal trading hours is common.
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Follow Up By: Stephen L (Clare) SA - Saturday, Mar 09, 2024 at 20:42

Saturday, Mar 09, 2024 at 20:42
Witnessed a case the other year and that protected species can get away with it.

We were waiting in a shop in the Top End to be served, one of those mongrels walked out with a sports T Shirt over his shoulder, shop attendant did not batter an eye lid, the security thing went off and the security guard at the door did not do a thing….

When we were served, I mentioned what that bl .. bastard got away with.

She said it was cheaper to lose the T Shirt than have him charged. They said if he was charged he would most likely come back with his mates and trash the shop, causing thousands of dollars damage.

I then said if that was me, I bet you would have called the police and had me charges, to which she replied yes….

So much for one law for back and white.
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Follow Up By: Roger L4 - Wednesday, Mar 20, 2024 at 13:55

Wednesday, Mar 20, 2024 at 13:55
As with many of the issues that 'somebody' should do something about, any solution will only come from rational, balanced and open discussion between all interested parties.

Sadly, this would need to take place within a democratic environment, which is no longer possible due the universal influence of political correctness or 'perhaps Moderation Policies for example!'

I was reading this blog as part of the planning for this years trip up to the NT, i.e. north of Katherine but I think we might need to rethink it, pity.

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Reply By: Garry L - Saturday, Mar 09, 2024 at 20:32

Saturday, Mar 09, 2024 at 20:32
Don't mention youth crime - Axle's post re this subject a couple days ago got deleted !

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Follow Up By: Member - lyndon NT - Saturday, Mar 09, 2024 at 22:16

Saturday, Mar 09, 2024 at 22:16
I did notice that disappear.

The context of my message. If coming to the NT, stay away from the towns.
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Follow Up By: Member - PhilD_NT - Sunday, Mar 10, 2024 at 01:11

Sunday, Mar 10, 2024 at 01:11
I do hope that it doesn't get deleted as the reality has to be publicized, not covered up or avoided.

My wife was born here and her family go back to the early pastoralist's in the 1870's. I first came here in 1973, as a PMG Tech for 2 years, back south for one, then returned and haven't left except for holidays and a few training courses. Both of us came from the PMG days and have travelled for work throughout the NT. Actually, it was Alice where we met while both working there.

Things have changed, and not for the better in some ways. While working in Alice in the late 70's to early 80's it wasn't uncommon to walk across the Todd River at night to and from the Casino. Would I do it again, NO WAY. In fact, as much as we enjoyed our work stints in Alice and touring the region, we no longer have a compelling reason to visit there again, other than to pass through. The last of our past work friends have now left and if needing to pass through there we would use it as a fuel stop only, sadly.

Having said all that, the issues aren't confined to Alice, or the NT. Passing through Mt Isa last year we were talking to a resident while refueling and they told us of the issues there where the alcohol restrictions in the NT caused a number of our locals to move there. Many of the issues here are mirrored by stories coming from Queensland and northern WA. All over we're seeing more and more shuttered shops that are giving a very bad indication of what is happening.

We have no desire to leave the Top End, and there are still beautiful places to visit, with care. We have our extended families here with their properties, workplaces and businesses so are well settled in.

The "Action for Alice" Facebook page and the NTIndependant online news service are a reliable source of information to the ongoing crime wave. Others have been slow to cover it, and some others just aren't interested in covering it.
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Follow Up By: axle - Sunday, Mar 10, 2024 at 08:50

Sunday, Mar 10, 2024 at 08:50
Hi Gary, That left a sour taste in my mouth i can tell you!!.


Apparently, important issues can't be discussed. at all


Next minute you'll hear about
some camper getting attacked ,but that's Ok


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Follow Up By: Member - lyndon NT - Sunday, Mar 10, 2024 at 18:28

Sunday, Mar 10, 2024 at 18:28
We have the Malak caravan park close by. Actually, there used to be 2 parks, but one is now a new sub division.
Spoke to folks there as it's where we used to walk, due to the aforementioned issues as well as most folks owning multiple dogs that NEVER leave the yard, just there to bark 24/7!!!

Lots of issues at the parks, one guy said he only heard them as his phone went Bing as it was unplugged. They had used lighters to burn through his annex to gain access.

As for the remaining park, now renamed Marrara, no doubt due to folks starting to get the drift of where not to say, nice new HUGE fence and electric gate.
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Reply By: Member - Jim S1 - Saturday, Mar 09, 2024 at 20:34

Saturday, Mar 09, 2024 at 20:34
So $40 billion a year isn't enough ?

Thank God that abomination The Voice didn't get up , although Albanese seems to be encouraging state versions of it.

Police and magistrates are hamstrung and it's only the politicians who can change things. Fat chance.

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Follow Up By: cookie1 - Tuesday, Mar 12, 2024 at 18:08

Tuesday, Mar 12, 2024 at 18:08
Jacinta Price actually called for a Senate enquiry into where the money is going via various Land Councils and the many other organisations which brought about scorn from many of these organisations as they don't want any rocks turned over as that may expose the rorts that may or may not be happening.

I have heard and read about a number of them and Noel Pearson's name came up a few times, how true any of them are is yet unproven unless there is an enquiry.

What happened, "The motion was put to a vote on Wednesday, but was defeated by Labor, the Greens and the independent senator David Pocock."
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Reply By: Mikee5 - Saturday, Mar 09, 2024 at 21:50

Saturday, Mar 09, 2024 at 21:50
I used to ride my push bike from Moil (near the water tower) to Casuarina to work and back until we left in 1998. Guess that wouldn’t be the go nowadays.
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Follow Up By: Member - lyndon NT - Saturday, Mar 09, 2024 at 22:14

Saturday, Mar 09, 2024 at 22:14
No, after the fairer half stopped wanting to go out, I'd walk myself around dusk. Was followed twice by youths, no longer go for a walk.
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Reply By: tonysmc - Saturday, Mar 09, 2024 at 23:07

Saturday, Mar 09, 2024 at 23:07
Not Darwin, however a friend of mine is traveling around oz and was telling me that at one of the caravan parks a guy was backing into a spot, got out to check behind his van and a 13 year old jumped in the drivers seat and tool off with land cruiser and van in tow. Police didn't pursue because they said they didn’t want them to crash. Apparently, caravan was found unhitched on the side of the road and the cruiser found later burnt out. So much for a trip of a lifetime for someone. (I think possibly Halls creek?)
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Reply By: RMD - Sunday, Mar 10, 2024 at 11:49

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Reply By: Aussie1 - Sunday, Mar 10, 2024 at 14:01

Sunday, Mar 10, 2024 at 14:01
Come on there must be at least some "do gooders" out there prepared to jump in and explain why it's not their fault that they commit such crimes and are allowed to get of scott free.
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Follow Up By: Member - Wildmax - Sunday, Mar 10, 2024 at 18:36

Sunday, Mar 10, 2024 at 18:36
Yes, I'll jump in and try to balance some of the racist ranting that's evident here.
I don't deny for a minute that northern Australia has massive problems with youth crime and alcohol and drug abuse - we've travelled extensively in remote Australia for the past 20 years, and have seen the best and the worst.
But it is certainly not confined to the north, or to aboriginal communities - many of which are wonderful welcoming and safe places to visit.
Just consider a few recent cases - it was a young white male who (allegedly) murdered a female jogger in Ballarat; it was a white female who used mushrooms to (allegedly) poison three people in Victoria and attempt to do the same to others; the many teenage (or younger) drivers of stolen cars which crash and kill either the occupants or innocent bystanders are any colour and from all parts of Australia.
So, by all means complain about youth crime - or even suggest some solutions - but don't single out one disadvantaged region or race.
We are a sadly divided nation, and let's aspire to make it better, not worse.
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Follow Up By: Aussie1 - Sunday, Mar 10, 2024 at 20:37

Sunday, Mar 10, 2024 at 20:37
Nice try there Cobber. Care to back it up with some statistics of the % of crimes committed by the group this issue is about compared to the % of Australian population.
However, I do agree on your comment "A divided nation" . And we all know that is a direct result of the divisive referendum. And that my friend is what causes more racism.
Tell a Politician to "aspire to make it better" , Good luck with that.
By the way "don't single out one disadvantaged region or race". Any idea how much money is directed to these regions / races, from not just our government but also many mining companies etc. And what has that done to change anything, absolutely stuff all.
Crime is crime and needs to be dealt with, not accepted as the norm from one obvious group.
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Follow Up By: Member - Wildmax - Sunday, Mar 10, 2024 at 22:34

Sunday, Mar 10, 2024 at 22:34
Mate, I'm not denying the seriousness of the problem in the areas mentioned, but I suggest you take a good look at any of the lower socio-economic areas in any of our cities around the nation. In my small home state of Tasmania the level of arson, vandalism, petty theft, vehicle crime, assaults etc in some areas would well and truly match what happens around the country. Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane no doubt worse.
As for the referendum, no constitutional change will succeed unless all elements of the political hierarchy can agree (so that means not in my lifetime). Take you pick about who was to blame, but failure was inevitable.
I stand by my view though that, while we may look with scorn at the societal and political division that is evident in the US, we have nothing to be proud about here when it comes to social and racial intolerance fed by extremists on both sides, and fostered by media organisations which see conflict as a ratings winner.
All of which is why I enjoy peace on my local beach or camped in the desert :-)
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Follow Up By: Aussie1 - Sunday, Mar 10, 2024 at 23:27

Sunday, Mar 10, 2024 at 23:27
OK, I take your opinion on board. But for me, the only solution is for those who are supposed to represent us in the "bubble" AKA Canberra, are the only one's that could fix the issue. Personally, I cannot imagine that ever happening, be it either party.


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Follow Up By: Garry L - Monday, Mar 11, 2024 at 09:16

Monday, Mar 11, 2024 at 09:16
I bet there would be no-one on this site that wouldn't like to see things improve for our indigenous cousins as far as housing, health, education and all other aspects of improved living conditions but it's obvious that throwing more money at them is not working. Noel Pearson said quite a few years ago " stop giving Aborigines stuff for nothing - the more you give them the more they will want "

Where are and what are the elders doing about this situation ? Or has respect for the elders been lost now that the younger ones live in the cities and regional towns hanging out in the malls and shopping centres wearing nikes with mobile phones in hand ?

One thing that annoys me is you keep hearing from the likes of Cathy Freeman, Nicky Winmar, Adam Goodes, Eddie Betts, Andrew McLeod and co on the radio, news and magazine articles constantly telling the white fella that something has to be done about black fella issues. But you don't see these great people in the regional areas where the trouble is telling the trouble makers that if they stop the unnecessary crime and violence they would gain way more respect and their situation would improve dramatically.

The crime and violence will not stop until there is some sort of severe punishment for their actions - not necessarily white fella punishment but black fella punishment of some sort, perhaps where the offenders are taken out bush for a month where they are taught right from wrong by their elders and other Aborigines who still live the traditional way with little interference from the white fella.

I don't know - but something has to be done sooner than later before it's too late.

When I meet the young aboriginal kids out bush and see how happy, cheerful, friendly and playful they are along with their constant smiles it saddens me to think that a lot of them will end up in trouble with no future !


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Reply By: Member - lyndon NT - Wednesday, Mar 13, 2024 at 20:20

Wednesday, Mar 13, 2024 at 20:20
Another reason to stay away!

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Follow Up By: Stephen L (Clare) SA - Thursday, Mar 14, 2024 at 07:28

Thursday, Mar 14, 2024 at 07:28
Look at the age of those little bastards…
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Reply By: Member - Moya - Tuesday, Mar 19, 2024 at 19:06

Tuesday, Mar 19, 2024 at 19:06
We are heading up the middle in April to explore the NT then onto the Kimberly so will be interesting to see what it's like.

From the last 2 years traveling we haven't had any direct negative experiences but have witnessed disturbing behavior that has mainly been directed at other people in the same group of people they are from.
I feel sorry for locals that feel helpless when their homes and businesses get broken into but I feel way more for the poor buggers that are born into families that are broken, abusive, have never worked and don't seem to give a crap about their kids. What bloody hope do they have?

Punishing those kids will do bugger all as jail is a nicer place than where they come from.
I don't know what the answer is when it is intergenerational dysfunction. How can people all of a sudden decide to go get a job and be a responsible parent and community member when no one they know is like that?
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Follow Up By: Member - Ups and Downs - Wednesday, Mar 20, 2024 at 08:51

Wednesday, Mar 20, 2024 at 08:51
I feel sorry for them too.

However I feel even more sorrow for the people in society that work hard for their possessions and have them stolen or trashed by the scum in society.

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Follow Up By: Member - Moya - Friday, Mar 22, 2024 at 16:40

Friday, Mar 22, 2024 at 16:40
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-03-22/geraldton-magistrate-blasts-parental-neglect-of-accused-teenager/103617042

Looks like the magistrate agrees with me on this one.
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