Mt Skene (Victoria) Permit Process

Submitted: Tuesday, Aug 17, 2010 at 11:58
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Went thru the new permit process for access to the Mt Skene snowfields recently and conclude that for those eligible it went about as smooth and painless as possible.

We remain opposed to systems which generate elitist groups whether it
be to seek to deny access to icons like the top of Ayer's rock or making access to Mt Skene for basically club members and maintain our boycott of Mansfield in protest!

But working within the system does work, albeit restricting your flexibility.

In this case forms have to be submitted 7 days in advance to four wheel drive Vic, listing your qualifications, vehicles - equipment etc and the form can be returned to you by email. (http://www.fwdvictoria.org.au)

For what is essentially a volunteer organization this part of the process actually is pretty good.
Permits cost no money - but consume everyone's time.

Like many trips - we had several changes, people coming/not coming/coming etc and this is where the system doesn't work so well and requires FWDV to resubmit change details to both police and council.

A suggestion I will make is that when it comes to attendance (Not including the applicant/trip leader) that the applicant simply take responsibility and just emailing FWDV with the new car's rego.
Hopefully, if challenged an explaination would suffice if a last minute substitute car came.

As it was their was no one checking permits on the day anyway.

The actual trip to Mt Skene could hardly have been more perfect, we were among the first cars up there and had a lovely mostly sunny day.
Some hardy group had however camped on the mountain top overnight.

There was up to 1/2 meter of hard packed snow covering all the mountain tops and you drove in the snow for some 12kms, not including side tracks.
The snow was so good that you could drive on top of it without disturbing ground underneath.
We drove round in one big circle once and not even the slightest vegetation damage occurred.
Even the greenies would have to be pleased - its to late though, I have already followed FWDV's advice and voted them last.

Throughout the near perfect day we encountered some 40 vehicles which was down on the 100+ we have seen before in similar conditions.
Conditions were such that some snatching was required in fresh snow but most cars were ok when following the lead cars tracks.

We have been to this place since the 70's in HD holdens etc and its a real shame that so many now get denied the chance to take their families to such a wonderful playground.



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Reply By: Moose - Tuesday, Aug 17, 2010 at 13:23

Tuesday, Aug 17, 2010 at 13:23
G'day Robin
You lucky buggers - having access to that sort of driving. Living in Qld we don't have much chance of snow - maybe in Stanthorpe once in a blue moon and even then it's rarely much more than a sprinkle.

Only 3 vehicles for a trip like that?? Snow must be all a bit too common for you southerners!

Your point re voting is rather important - if the damn Greenies get the balance of power I hate to think how our chosen outdoor pursuits (fishing, hunting 4WDing etc) will fare. I'm going with the S&F Party - at least they are on our side.

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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Tuesday, Aug 17, 2010 at 19:23

Tuesday, Aug 17, 2010 at 19:23
Hi Moose

Yep we are only a small club and then a couple dropped out - probably because the previous week was so miserable, and I wondered how those camping in the tents really got on.
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Reply By: Mr Pointyhead - Tuesday, Aug 17, 2010 at 13:54

Tuesday, Aug 17, 2010 at 13:54
I was up their on Saturday 14 Aug, and it was a great drive up there.

As for the permit, unfortunately I think they are a necessary evil.

The background of the permits is that a number of ill prepared people have been getting themselves trapped on Mt Skene over the years, requiring rescue.

Because of these fools, Mansfield council decided to close the road over winter. 4wd Victoria intervened on behalf of the 4x4 clubs of Victoria. Hence the resulting permit system and why the permits are for 4x4 clubs affiliated with 4x4 Victoria.

One thing I did note was the lack of signs indicating the road was closed. We came in via Matlock etc and out down to Jamieson and we did not notice any signs indicating the road was closed.

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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Tuesday, Aug 17, 2010 at 19:31

Tuesday, Aug 17, 2010 at 19:31
Hi Pointy

Ok on that, there were signs on our approach from Jamesion , both at Jamesion and at the actual point the road was closed - however they were not very obvious , very big - or I thought well written.

Its hard having to accept a compromize as the best that can be done - after several meetings I attended this year in which it was necessary to compromize you really are the filling in a sandwitch and its uncomfortable - but what do you do!
I feel its better to continue arguing your position I guess !
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Reply By: PradoMad - Tuesday, Aug 17, 2010 at 17:52

Tuesday, Aug 17, 2010 at 17:52
I have just become a member of FWDV and the amount of feedback to my queries and prompt reply was just remarkable.
I can now apply for a members vehicle only (MVO) permit to access some of the tracks that are seasonal closed.
It just made me wonder why we do not get such support here in NSW?

Also, I find it most impressive how every single track is signposted, supported with those great ROOFTOP maps!

If I could I would move to VIC...!!!
JS.

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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Tuesday, Aug 17, 2010 at 21:34

Tuesday, Aug 17, 2010 at 21:34
Thats the spirit JS , if everybody was in a club or a member we would have a lot more clout - even if it was a nominal club and you never showed up.
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Reply By: Member - Mark E (VIC) - Tuesday, Aug 17, 2010 at 20:54

Tuesday, Aug 17, 2010 at 20:54
Robin,

Great to hear you had fun driving around up there in the snow.

I do have a question though, about the permit system.

How do they handle the locals who need to access this road for other purposes.

As an example, I used to live on the Howqua River Road and would often use this road for commuting over to Gippsland in all but the worst of conditions, when it was an impossible commute (things we used to do to chase girls.....).

Is it no longer possible to simply drive over the top when it would be obvious there's no snow, or insufficient snow to halt progress?

I have had many 'interesting trips across from Jamieson to Licola over the years.

Cheers,

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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Tuesday, Aug 17, 2010 at 21:36

Tuesday, Aug 17, 2010 at 21:36
Just another casualty of an unthinking system that reduces things to the lowest common denominator Mark.

Just have to go round about an extra 2 hours.
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Follow Up By: Member - Mark E (VIC) - Tuesday, Aug 17, 2010 at 22:54

Tuesday, Aug 17, 2010 at 22:54
Wonder how many checking permits up there at 8pm?

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